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Designing for previvors and survivors

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10:20 am
February 3, 2010


monicabhatia

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Hi All! I'm a design student working on my senior thesis project where
I am designing therapeutic tools to be used by previvors and
survivors.  My research has lead me to believe that the period of time
shared by mothers and daughters during diagnosis of either or both
parties is very difficult and full of emotions, such as sadness, fear,
and guilt.  I am trying to create a bonding experience that could be
shared during this time that would deal with the fear experienced in
this situation.  A gift that could be given to the daughter by the
mother upon diagnosis, or a therapeutic device designed to deliver
some sort of treatment.  What I am looking for is participation.  I
want stories about how you felt when you or your loved one was
diagnosed and more importantly how how coped with it? What comforted
you during this time of need? How did this experience affect your
attitude towards your family and your own health? Any suggestions and
comments are welcome and can only help to make my project stronger.

Monica's email:  mon.bhot@gmail.com


10:58 am
February 3, 2010


TOBEYRDH

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Hi Monica,

Thank you for your interesting post. I will forward it to my members for participation. Sons can inherit the BRCA gene as well. Are their feelings included in this experience as well?

Be well…good luck with the project…


I have decided to post my response:

Hi Monica,

So I am going to take this line by line with you & if you need more info…let me know. My responses will be in red.

Re: Designing for previvors and survivors
Hi All! I'm a design student working on my senior thesis project where
I am designing therapeutic tools to be used by previvors and survivors.  My research has lead me to believe that the period of time shared by mothers and daughters during diagnosis of either or both parties is very difficult and full of emotions, such as sadness, fear, and guilt. I am a very positive person by nature. I knew so deeply in my heart that my BRCA test results WOULD Be positive THAT when the time came to hear my results I was NOT surprised. Breast & Ovarian cancer are very prevalent in my family. The day that I went to the genetics counselor to hear my news —was full of fear. I knew what I was going to hear but hearing it is something quite different. I was late to my appointment because I kept going in & out of the car! My husband was with me & he was ready to take me home! I hear now that this is a BIG issue. Should people be going for the test? If your results are negative IT's a wonderful day…If they are positive…it changes your life.

Naturally, the minute your hear your results you worry….omg what about the kids! Again, I'm a very positive person….NO NO NO! My mom is not alive, but any mom would have the same reaction…OMG! But the flip side is…there is a 50/50 chance….so we hope. I feel the biggest issue is —do you have them take the test or not…

I am trying to create a bonding experience that could be shared during this time that would deal with the fear experienced in this situation.  A gift that could be given to the daughter by the mother upon diagnosis, or a therapeutic device designed to deliver some sort of treatment. I don't know where any therapeutic device could help here! My geneticist gave me the news & then asked me how I felt. I told her I wanted to go shopping. She must have thought I was nuts! But I did go shopping & my husband bought me a convertible that sux (lol) if you read my blog you'll hear all about it!) Hugs & kisses & phone calls & love are just wonderful. & not just for that moment–throughtout the process of all the amazingly diificult decisions along the way!  You also have to understand that many of the women who find out that they have this BRCA gene find out along with a cancer diagnosis. Most of them find out this way.  What I am looking for is participation.  I want stories about how you felt when you or your loved one was diagnosed and more importantly how how coped with it? Hearing about it from strangers is just as heartbreaking as hearing about it from family. The BRCA gene sux. Most women with the gene will get breast or ovarian cancer period (unless they take prophylactic measures.)

What comforted you during this time of need? Ice cream, chocolate…shopping…love, family, friends…I am lucky–huge support system which is why I created this site. My doctor's felt I had an amazing spirit & strength throughout this process. I hope that I can help ease it along for @ least one woman a year. It makes me feel good to help others. I like to turn negatives into positives. There is always a reason for something…How did this experience affect your attitude towards your family and your own health? I am in the health field myself so eating healthy, exercise are a way of life here.Any suggestions and comments are welcome and can only help to make my project stronger.

11:08 am
February 3, 2010


monicabhatia

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their feelings are definitely included, the point of me saying “mother” and “daughter” is that specifying as much as you can in the beginning gives more direction and usually makes the outcome product more meaningful and tailored to those particular needs.  Thank you Tobey, really appreciate it.

3:28 pm
February 3, 2010


Sharon

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I would be happy to speak up about my brca experience including emotional distress and the surgeries.  However, my mom has been dead for 19 years, from ovarian cancer.  She probably carried the brca gene, but we didn't know back then.

8:49 am
February 4, 2010


monicabhatia

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Sharon,

would love to learn about your experience, please feel free to email me at mon.bhot@gmail.com if you do not want to post here.

8:54 am
February 4, 2010


Lyn

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monicabhatia said:

I will reply in the context of her letter!

Hi All! I'm a design student working on my senior thesis project where
I am designing therapeutic tools to be used by previvors and
survivors.  My research has lead me to believe that the period of time
shared by mothers and daughters AND SONS during diagnosis of either or both
parties is very difficult and full of emotions, such as sadness, fear,
and guilt.  I am trying to create a bonding experience that could be
shared during this time that would deal with the fear experienced in
this situation. When I informed my children & Tobey, in fact,  that I had this gene, I also informed them that there was a 50% chance that they would NOT have it. I'm the eternal optimist. My motto is: THINK BELIEVE RECEIVE. It wasn't a doom & gloom conversation, because it was highlighted by the fact that it could go either way, & UNTIL the time came that they were INFORMED that they had the gene, it was all good.  A gift that could be given to the daughter by the
mother upon diagnosis, or a therapeutic device designed to deliver
some sort of treatment.  What I am looking for is participation.  I
want stories about how you felt when you or your loved one was
diagnosed and more importantly how how coped with it? I am a breast cancer survivor, so when I was first diagnosed, I thought I would be dead in 3 years. I cried my eyes out, & went on with my life. I joined a support group & became INFORMED. What comforted
you during this time of need? My husband, my dog & my friends. How did this experience affect your
attitude towards your family and your own health? I became more forgiving, & more tolerant of my families failings. I let it ALL roll. I accepted & improved my mental well being. I became more health conscious. I began to eat right & exercise. Any suggestions and
comments are welcome and can only help to make my project stronger. Monica, there is NO magic ANYTHING to make telling, or helping someone cope through a cancer diagnosis. Just being told that you have cancer is like being hit with a roadside bomb. Everything in your life CHANGES. Unless you experience a life threatening event, whether it be an illness, an accident,  or mental “shock”, that zaps you out of La La Land, you can't begin to imagine the ramifications of the seriousness of it all.

Well, that's just my opinion folks! Cool

Monica's email:  mon.bhot@gmail.com



9:10 am
February 4, 2010


admin

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Love ya sis……

9:33 am
February 4, 2010


Lyn

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admin said:

Love ya sis……


dork…..

love you too!

I need to go buy a new FAVORITE POCKIE! lol

5:07 am
February 5, 2010


Sharon

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monicabhatia said:

Sharon,

would love to learn about your experience, please feel free to email me at mon.bhot@gmail.com if you do not want to post here.


I would like to talk about my experience.  What would you like to know?  My e-mail address is tilltuesday@verizon.net in case you want to reach me that way.

My mother and my grandmother both died of Ovarian Cancer.  My grandmother died at age 54 when I was 3.  My mom died at age 60 when I was 30.  The “plan” was to have a hysterectomy after I was done having my family.  Well, infertility issues, a divorce, a remarriage and infertility treatment led to my having one child at age 40.  When I went to my dr and said, “It's time for my hysterectomy now,”  She said, “We don't just do a total hysterectomy now.  I think we will  only need to remove your ovaries.  I suspect, since your background id Ashkenozie Jewish, that you might be a carrier of the brca mutation.”   I had never heard of it before, so I went for the counseling and the blood test and I came up positive for brca 1.  This was in 2002.  I had my oophrectomy in January 2003.  At that time, the odds of my getting breast cancer was 1 in 3.  Although my dr was recommending a pbm, I thought that the odds were in my favor and I immedicately stuck my head in the sand and was confident with my oophrectomy and my twice a year mammogram.   I was immediately drop-kicked me into menopause at age 42.  The hormonal and physical changes were challenging and for a long time. 

Then, due to an insurance glitch, my twice a year mammograms were no longer covered, so my dr sent me to a breast surgeon, who told me the odds of having breast cancer were now 60-80%!  I was blown away when I heard this news.  There was no breast cancer in my family, only ovarian, but the drs and the next 4 drs I saw afterwards did not seem to think that this was a factor.  Maybe one day the reseach will determine that I would have been at much less risk than that, but at this time, the odds were well over 50%, so after seeing 6 drs, we decided to go to Sloan Kettering.  My pbm was done on June 11, 2009. This was the absolutle scariest thing I have ever done in my life and I was in a lot of pain through the summer and until I had my exchange surgery on Oct. 21.  I am planning the nipple reconstruction part for Feb. 18.

I have to get ready to go to work now, but I'm happy to continue my story later. Let me know if there are specific questions you want me to answer.

3:33 pm
February 14, 2010


Sharon

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You didn't ask, but here is chapter two of my story.  Thanks for listening.

Like Tobey, I also have a son and it was difficult to tell him at first.  At the same time, it was an excellent learning experience.  He is very fearful of the doctor and shots, so when I began to tell him about my surgery, I said, “Sometimes, people need to be hurt in order to stay healthy.  For example, when we have to have a shot or take medicine that tastes terrible, we are doing it to stay healthy.  I have a very, very high risk of getting breast cancer, so my doctors are recommending that I have surgery to take my risk away.”  I was not very specific about exactly what the surgery was, I just called it “breast surgery” but when I came home from the hospital is was obvious that I had both breasts removed.  I looked very flat.  I gave the same talk to my students, to explain that I would be absent for the last three weeks in June 2009.  In this case, I used the words “chest surgery.”  I am a teacher and a parent, and I do not believe in lying to children.  They see through it and later when they learn the truth, they are upset and angry, much the same way that adults feel when they are lied to. At the same time, depending on age and intellectual ability, I do not want to give too much inappropriate information.  My son, who was 10 was told more details than I told my students, who are 8 and younger.

 I might not have made this decision, to have a prophylactic bilateral mastectomy unless I had the unconditional support of my husband.  He did not think we had a choice.  When we spoke to the head researcher at Sloan, he told us that only 30% of women who receive the brca diagnosis actually do the surgery.  My husband was amazed!!!!  You mean 70% of women do not opt for this surgery?  We were so amazed.  We saw it as having no choice.  Going for a mammogram and MRI 3-4 times a year would not make me feel better; I thought I would be in a constant state of worry.   When will the cancer come?  I decided I could not live this way.  My husband agreed that I am not the kind of person who would want to live this way.  Once, when I was speaking to a gay friend, he explained that it really is not a “choice” to be gay.  In fact, most people would not choose this and many try to deny it for years.  The word “choice” is interesting.  I did not feel we had a choice. I think the real choice is that I chose the surgery because I thought the idea of chemotherapy was even scarier than this surgery.

At the time, I also did not know any one who had ever done this.  I did know many, many people, too many people who had cancer and were involved in various treatments.   Sloan Kettering told me that a Cancer Support Group might not welcome me, since I did not have the cancer diagnosis.  I felt like an alien, a weirdo, and one friend actually said to me, “Who does this? I have never heard of this before.”  Thank goodness for the FORCE website, where one woman in Georgia had written her phone number.  She was the first person with brca I spoke to.  FORCE  led me to the Brca Umbrella, which led me to Tobey, who I was able to speak to 3 weeks after my surgery, when I had hoped to be feeling better, but I was feeling worse. Tobey was so reassuring and she was right here on LI where I live.  Over time, I have met more women like me, but when I first wrestled with the diagnosis, I did not know anyone else.  That is why I am happy to come out and tell my story. I can be that someone who will talk to people so that they do not feel so alone. 

I made the decision in January 2009 to have the surgery, but I was putting it off until the near end of the school year, June 11.  Waiting these 6 months was the hardest thing I ever had to do.  I was terrified, horrified and petrified.  I had never had surgery before!  I still have my tonsils and my appendix.  I cried almost every night alone in bed, after everyone had gone to sleep.  It was difficult to go to parties and be with very happy people.  It also put things in perspective for me.  Why are people complaining about the weather?  I have to cut my breasts off!  Why is my colleague arguing and yelling?  I have to cut my breasts off!  It felt like I was in a Charlie Brown episode; when the adults speak it sounds like, “Whomp, whomp whaa…”    As Tobey said before, it really did help me to put things into perspective. 

Another way I chose to cope with this was to have a photographer take pictures of me.  Luckily I have a wonderful friend who is a professional photographer and I could not believe how lovely she helped me to look.  I had never thought about posing nude before, but my friend really made me look great and I had a huge amount of pictures of myself and my breasts.  I told my friend all women should do this; knowing how great you can look no matter how old you are is a huge boost for your self-esteem.

People’s reactions were very interesting.  Most women said, “I think you should do it.”  Most men said, “Why don’t you wait for cancer?”  Some people avoided me like I was their worst nightmare.  I understand this; I was my own nightmare.  Some people couldn’t even look at me.  One colleague, my age, admitted “I have never had a mammogram before.”  ( I think I wanted to put her head through the wall and say, what the fuck are you waiting for?)  I decided that once I was through this and people saw that I was ok, that they would return to me; I tried to be forgiving about people who said silly things or tried to talk me out of it.  I pleaded with anyone who would listen to look at the websites I was looking at.  Hardly anyone did.  The friends and family who did were few, but I really appreciated their input, because in the end, they agreed that this was the right thing to do.

 What comforted you during this time of need?  I had the support of my husband, son and father.  One of the most comforting people was one colleague in particular, who had breast cancer and was about 4 months ahead of me in her journey; she also opted to have a bilateral mastectomy with the same reconstruction.  She was so strong and brave. She coached me all the way.  She let me “see” and “touch” each result during each stage.  I think when you have cancer, making this decision is easier.  I am not wishing I had cancer, I just think the decision was more clear- cut for these women and there are a lot of support groups for them.  But I was not going to wait to get cancer; that was what my decision was all about. 

In the end, this event has had an extraordinary effect on me in more ways than one.  I learned that I am strong and brave, even if I’m crying.  This kind of decision really tests your ideas about your own feminist attitudes, not to mention body image.  On an intellectual level, I know I am more than my breasts; at the same time, I loved my breasts, they were beautiful.  At age 51, they were one part of my body that never gave me trouble. I would have fixed my nose, my stomach, my skin, my double chin, but never my breasts.  In so many ways this was unbelievably ironic. 

Now that I am past the worst of it, I can enjoy life more; I can wear clothes that I haven’t been able to wear since I was in my 20’s. I do not have to wear a bra unless I want to, or am exercising or lifting heavy things.  5 weeks after my surgery, I saw Paul McCartney at Citfield two times!  Once with a friend and once with a different friend and my son!  It was an incredible experience.   Now, I find comfort in my family, my friends, and music and having fun.  People tell me that I look great.  It is amazing that something so traumatic can happen to a woman and they can end up being ok.  I enjoy seeing people I haven’t seen in a long time because they tell me how amazing I look!  I think a woman will never get tired of hearing that.

Now I spend more time with things and people who I am guaranteed to have fun with.  I go to concerts, I go to the city on the train, I play The Beatles Rock Band game with my son a lot.  I hope to improve my relationship with my brother.  I also hope to speak about this experience, so no one has to feel so alone, as I did.

I also am working on an outreach/fund raising event with Tobey, on Oct. 16th.  This was the best idea to help me feel better; feeling like I was doing something proactive to make other people's lives easier.


 

 


8:32 pm
February 16, 2010


TOBEYRDH

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Hey Sharon,

G-D Bless You! Thanx so much for sharing your story. It is a beautiful heartfelt story! It was amazing meeting you! You hit it on the head…LOVE & SUPPORT is the BEST THERAPY. You look amazing & it's wonderful to see you so healthy & upbeat again! Truly a pleasure on this end to know you! You are a beautiful human!

x0x0x0 TOBEY


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